In this episode, we sit down with Ian Livingstone to explore how AI is reshaping application security. The conversation focuses on one of the hardest emerging problems: agent identity. Ian breaks down why traditional identity and permission models fall apart when applied to non-deterministic AI agents, and what this means for access control, data security, and system design.
We also discuss where agent identity is headed, how insurance may play a role in managing AI-driven risk, and what security teams need to rethink as AI systems become active participants rather than passive components.
00:00–02:15 — Beyond AI hype: why security and agent identity matter
02:15–09:18 — Understanding identity in the age of AI agents
09:18–13:41 — Why service accounts and OAuth break down for agents
13:41–20:11 — Granular permissions, least privilege, and agent intent
20:11–25:55 — Security risks in agent workflows and prompt-driven systems
25:55–28:34 — Data security, IAM, and the agent exfiltration problem
28:34–30:47 — Non-determinism and rethinking how we secure systems
30:47–32:14 — The agent identity problem on the public internet
32:14–35:10 — Why the internet still lacks real application identity
35:10–39:12 — The future of authentication for agents and bots
39:12–40:28 — Emerging standards, AIUC, and insuring agents
40:28–43:09 — Liability, insurance, and accountability for autonomous systems
43:09–45:51 — How security roles evolve in an agent-native world
45:51–49:23 — Technical attack surfaces: MCPs, poisoned tools, and confusion
49:23–51:32 — Trust, contracts, and responsibility in software ecosystems
51:32–54:28 — Why AI adoption is top-down and what it means for security
Tune in for a deep dive!
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